[Fwd: [xml-dev] ANN: XUL Alliance Goes Live - New XML UI Standards Body Emerging?]
Matt Jones
jones at nceas.ucsb.edu
Mon Jun 9 12:53:33 PDT 2003
Yeah,
I saw that he has started a ton of flame wars regarding the XUL acronym.
Nevertheless, I found the site useful, even if it isn't strictly XUL.
Matt
Matthew Brooke wrote:
>
> I've been following this guy's blurb for a while - he's the one behind
> Luxor. I find his generalizations pretty annoying - basically anything
> that involves XML for defining user interfaces is "XUL", as far as he's
> concerned. Call me old-fashioned, but I thought that for something to be
> classed as XUL it should comply with the XUL schema...?
>
> M
>
>
> On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:22 PM, Matt Jones wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I hadn't seen this site until it was announced this weekend. Pretty
>> nice resource for many XUL related things. I wasn't aware of most of
>> the XUL renderers on that page. The quotes in the guys relase
>> announcement are pretty interesting.
>>
>> http://xul.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Matt
>>
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>> From: Gerald Bauer <luxorxul at yahoo.ca>
>> Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003 1:52:51 PM US/Pacific
>> To: xml-dev at lists.xml.org
>> Subject: [xml-dev] ANN: XUL Alliance Goes Live - New XML UI Standards
>> Body Emerging?
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In case you haven't heard I launched the XUL
>> Alliance site sporting the tagline "Creating A Rich
>> Internet For Everyone".
>>
>> The goal is to promote all things XUL (XML UI
>> Language) and to provide free test suites to help
>> ensure interoperability between different XUL
>> motors/browsers/runtimes and free, open-source
>> show-case examples (aka blue prints) to demo the power
>> of XML for creating UIs.
>>
>> For now the XUL Alliance Site sports:
>>
>> * XUL News Wire — Breaking News About XUL; also
>> known as the xul-announce Mailing List
>>
>> * The Richmond Post — Chronicle of the XUL
>> Revolution; XUL News Weblog
>>
>> * xul-talk Mailing List — Beyond Mozilla; Talk
>> about XUL issues touching more than one XUL
>> motor/browser/runtime
>>
>> * XUL Lecture Series — Rich Clients, Rich
>> Browsers, Rich Portals and much more
>>
>> * XUL Link-opida — Articles, FAQs, Cheat Sheets
>> and much more
>>
>> You can find out more @ http://xul.sourceforge.net
>>
>> The XUL alliance site kick-off spawned some "flame
>> wars" about the question "What is XUL (XML UI
>> Language)?
>>
>> If you're interested in hairsplitting, you might
>> wonna read up on the discussion in the MozillaZine @
>> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3213
>> or in the xul-talk mailinglist @
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=xul-talk
>>
>>
>> The heated debate also uncovered some gems. If I may
>> quote Mozilla XUL, Firebird (nee Phoenix) and Safari
>> legend David Hyatt:
>>
>> <quote>
>> We have no plans to standardize the tagset or syntax
>> through an external organization like the W3C.
>> </quote>
>>
>> I also tried to stir up the W3C XForms folks with
>> posts to their www-forms at w3.org mailinglist such as
>> "XUL Alliance Site Goes Live - New XML UI Standards
>> Body Emerging?" and "W3C XForms: Rest In Peace".
>>
>> So far nobody cares.
>>
>> As I see it W3C XForms is a good real-world case
>> study of premature standardization (in-contrast to
>> "build it first and standarize later") and I had a
>> discussion back in April with the XFroms community and
>> spec leads that you might wonna check out @
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/thread.html
>>
>> See the threads entitled "Welcome to the Real-World;
>> The Future of XForms" @
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0014.html
>> and "The Devil of Good is Perfect" @
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0039.html
>> , for example.
>>
>> To add some urgency to the discussion may I point
>> out the XUL News Wire story titled "Microsoft will
>> ship Longhorn Betas with built-in XUL motor this fall"
>> @
>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.xul.announce/17
>>
>> If I may quote:
>> <quote>
>> The Longhorn compilers, for instance, will use XML
>> script files to create user-interface functions with a
>> few lines of XML code that before would have required
>> hundreds, if not thousands, of lines of C# coding. And
>> the Longhorn software developer kit, which is also due
>> out this fall, will come with prebuilt XML Application
>> Markup Language (XAML) schemas for many UI functions
>> </quote>
>>
>> Ok, that's it. Any thoughts?
>>
>> - Gerald
>>
>> PS: If you wonder: Who is this guy? Check out my
>> ongoing "Rich Clients, Rich Browsers, Rich Portals"
>> lecture series @
>> http://xul.sourceforge.net/events.html
>>
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