[Fwd: [xml-dev] ANN: XUL Alliance Goes Live - New XML UI Standards Body Emerging?]

[Matthew Brooke]

I've been following this guy's blurb for a while - he's the one behind 
Luxor. I find his generalizations pretty annoying - basically anything 
that involves XML for defining user interfaces is "XUL", as far as he's 
concerned. Call me old-fashioned, but I thought that for something to 
be classed as XUL it should comply with the XUL schema...?

M


On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:22  PM, Matt Jones wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I hadn't seen this site until it was announced this weekend.  Pretty 
> nice resource for many XUL related things.  I wasn't aware of most of 
> the XUL renderers on that page.  The quotes in the guys relase 
> announcement are pretty interesting.
>
> http://xul.sourceforge.net/
>
> Matt
>
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> From: Gerald Bauer <luxorxul at yahoo.ca>
> Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003  1:52:51  PM US/Pacific
> To: xml-dev at lists.xml.org
> Subject: [xml-dev] ANN: XUL Alliance Goes Live - New XML UI Standards 
> Body Emerging?
>
>
> Hi,
>
>   In case you haven't heard I launched the XUL
> Alliance site sporting the tagline "Creating A Rich
> Internet For Everyone".
>
>   The goal is to promote all things XUL (XML UI
> Language) and to provide free test suites to help
> ensure interoperability between different XUL
> motors/browsers/runtimes and free, open-source
> show-case examples (aka blue prints) to demo the power
> of XML for creating UIs.
>
>   For now the XUL Alliance Site sports:
>
>     * XUL News Wire — Breaking News About XUL; also
> known as the xul-announce Mailing List
>
>     * The Richmond Post — Chronicle of the XUL
> Revolution; XUL News Weblog
>
>     * xul-talk Mailing List — Beyond Mozilla; Talk
> about XUL issues touching more than one XUL
> motor/browser/runtime
>
>     * XUL Lecture Series — Rich Clients, Rich
> Browsers, Rich Portals and much more
>
>     * XUL Link-opida — Articles, FAQs, Cheat Sheets
> and much more
>
>   You can find out more @ http://xul.sourceforge.net
>
>   The XUL alliance site kick-off spawned some "flame
> wars" about the question "What is XUL (XML UI
> Language)?
>
>   If you're interested in hairsplitting, you might
> wonna read up on the discussion in the MozillaZine @
> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3213
> or in the xul-talk mailinglist @
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=xul-talk
>
>
>   The heated debate also uncovered some gems. If I may
> quote Mozilla XUL, Firebird (nee Phoenix) and Safari
> legend David Hyatt:
>
> <quote>
> We have no plans to standardize the tagset or syntax
> through an external organization like the W3C.
> </quote>
>
>   I also tried to stir up the W3C XForms folks with
> posts to their www-forms at w3.org mailinglist such as
> "XUL Alliance Site Goes Live - New XML UI Standards
> Body Emerging?" and "W3C XForms: Rest In Peace".
>
>      So far nobody cares.
>
>   As I see it W3C XForms is a good real-world case
> study of premature standardization (in-contrast to
> "build it first and standarize later") and I had a
> discussion back in April with the XFroms community and
> spec leads that you might wonna check out @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/thread.html
>
>   See the threads entitled "Welcome to the Real-World;
> The Future of XForms" @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0014.html
>  and "The Devil of Good is Perfect" @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0039.html
>  , for example.
>
>   To add some urgency to the discussion may I point
> out the XUL News Wire story titled "Microsoft will
> ship Longhorn Betas with built-in XUL motor this fall"
> @
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.xul.announce/17
>
>   If I may quote:
> <quote>
> The Longhorn compilers, for instance, will use XML
> script files to create user-interface functions with a
> few lines of XML code that before would have required
> hundreds, if not thousands, of lines of C# coding. And
> the Longhorn software developer kit, which is also due
> out this fall, will come with prebuilt XML Application
> Markup Language (XAML) schemas for many UI functions
> </quote>
>
>     Ok, that's it. Any thoughts?
>
>   - Gerald
>
> PS: If you wonder: Who is this guy? Check out my
> ongoing "Rich Clients, Rich Browsers, Rich Portals"
> lecture series @
> http://xul.sourceforge.net/events.html
>
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